My previous post “Narendra Modi Scares Some People” received a comment by Sanjeev Sabhlok. See the full text of the comment here. He began by writing, “Much as I respect your opinions on other matters, I simply can’t understand your stand on Modi.” This post is a reply to Sanjeev explaining why I support Narendrabhai Modi.
Dear Sanjeev,
Please understand that I am motivated by my disgust, distaste and contempt for the Congress (and the Nehru-Gandhi-Maino clan) and not by the love for any party (including the BJP.) I hold the Congress party most responsible for India’s backwardness, its poverty, its distress and ultimately its irrelevance in the larger global context. I believe that India was set on a disastrous course by Jawaharlal Nehru, and his spawn continued to bury India’s future. Nehru was perhaps more stupid than evil.
However his daughter was more evil than ignorant. She was ruthless and showed her hand when she took over dictatorial powers. Her son was actually naive and did not have any skills required to govern a large country like India — but then no one in his family actually had it in them. India is a disaster today (never mind all the bullshit about India being this or that superpower) and that one family is to blame, that one party is at fault. Of course ultimately it is the ignorant voters of India that is to blame but let’s leave that aside for now.
Sanjeev, until you understand my stand on the Nehru-Gandhi-Maino clan and the Congress party, you will never understand what I write or do.
In your comment you ask, “What if it is proven in the coming months that Modi has connived in the murder of hundreds of people?” An interesting question and appears natural given the hysteria surrounding the post-Godhra riots. But it is a surprising question coming from someone who is so knowledgeable and hopefully not so gullible as to believe the lies told by people motivated by their self-interest.
Accusations are not proof of guilt. Witch hunts start with accusations but that’s not sufficient to establish that the accused is a witch, or even that witches exist. You appear to believe that simply because a large number of interested parties have accused Modi of somehow engineering a riot, he is guilty or probably guilty.
All powerful people have enemies. Powerful people have enemies because their power hurts the interests of others in power. Modi hurts the interests of those in power. The Congress and its bosses – Antonia Maino and her minions — hate him because he is capable of wrecking their cozy game of raping India and looting India’s wealth. The media is paid handsomely for its servility towards the ruling clan, and for its biased and false reporting on Modi. The media’s antipathy towards Modi is in-your-face bare, unabashed, naked, unapologetic and relentless.
Modi is hated because he alone is capable of taking on the enemies of India. Let me spell it out for you. More people have lived miserable lives and died in pain due to the ugly, anti-human, corrupt, bad policies imposed on India by the Nehru-Gandhi-Maino clan than were killed by all the dictators of the world ever. The miserable lives and premature deaths of hundreds of millions of Indians is because of the poverty that was – and is being – imposed on India by the Congress party and the Nehru-Gandhi-Maino clan. Pakistan with all its nuclear bombs and American weapons cannot hope to kill as many Indians as the home-grown enemies of India have killed and will continue to kill unless someone stops them.
Modi is a natural enemy of the Maino clan for this simple reason: their interests are mutually orthogonal. Modi is interested in serving the interests of the nation and destroying its enemies. The Maino clan is the enemy and its interests are inimical to India’s. Maino and her minions have foreign interests and allegiances. Modi’s interests and allegiance is only to India and Indians.
“Yeah, yeah,” you will say, “but he is responsible for the killing of hundreds of people.” I understand and sympathize with you. I am a peaceful person by nature and abhor violence. (Which is why I am against the ideology of the Religion of Peace because all it does is prescribe wholesale murder at the drop of a hat.) I abhor the violence that erupts from time to time.
Yes, Sanjeev, violence erupts from time to time. It is not a one-time affair. It re-occurs. If one were to go by the reporting in the press and by the claims of the Congress party and the Nehru-Gandhi-Maino clan, it would appear that in the entire history of India there was only one Hindu-Muslim riot, and that was in 2002 in Gujarat.
You would be entirely forgiven for thinking that never in the history of civilization did Muslims and non-muslims ever collide in any part of the world.
If you were to go by the media, you would be totally justified in believing that Hindus spontaneously attacked Muslims, and that thing about some people being put to the torch in a train in Godhra was an entirely imaginary event that some Hindutva people cooked up to malign the people of the Religion of Peace. If not completely imaginary, the train simply spontaneously combusted. Spontaneous train combustion, or STC. (I think the media has not heard of spontaneous human combustion and so could not come up with “group SHC” to explain how the over 50 people died on that train.)
If you were to go by the media, you would be fully justified in believing that in the Hindu-Muslim riots, only Muslims are killed. Hindus, it would appear, either suffer no casualties, or if there’s any loss at all, it is by suicide. Muslims are peaceful people who routinely get caught in pogroms. Actually, there are never Hindu-Muslim riots – only Hindus rioting and killing innocent people for no discernable reason.
But perhaps I am being too naïve. Perhaps, Hindus are also very peaceful people but are easily provoked to bloodshed and rioting. Yes, if you were to go by what the media and the Nehru-Gandhi-Maino clan and the Congress party says, Hindus are nice people who never spontaneously burst into angry violence, and only an evil dictator can organize them into a murderous gang and motivate them to kill innocents by the tens of thousands.
If you believe the bullshit that is dished out by the media, the Congress party, the minions of the Nehru-Gandhi-Maino clan (such as the utterly disgusting Digvijay Singh), the paid media and other assorted lowlife, it is all Modi’s doing. One day he woke up and said that he will provoke Hindus to go on a rampage. Then when the rampage started on the 28th of the month, he waited many days and then asked for the army on the 1st of the next month and the army arrived on the 2nd. Many days were lost and thousands of innocent people were killed.
(The stupid retards don’t even realize that Feb 2002 had 28 days only. The Indian public may not be very violent but they are certainly retarded and gullible.)
Allow me to spell it out in case I am unclear. Riots between Muslims and non-muslims is a regular affair. Read the history of India – even recent history – and tell me in which part of India where Muslims are has not seen riots. And while you are doing that research, do let me know if you find any area of the world, or any period in the history of the world, where Muslims did not have violent confrontations with non-muslims.
(Samuel Huntington pointed out that not only are Islam’s borders bloody but so are its innards. See note at the end of this post.)
If you think that the post-Godhra riots were different from the thousands of riots around India and the world, I am afraid that our world-views diverge so radically that we cannot find common grounds for a conversation.
For the record, I should state what exactly gets my goat the most. I cannot stand hypocrisy and double-standards. In all matters, not just in the matter of Modi and riots, I cannot tolerate hypocrisy. I hate double-standards. If pushed I can even tolerate honest criminal behavior but holier-than-thou hypocrisy makes me see red.
Antonia Maino’s husband unleashed a reign of terror on innocent Sikhs. Nearly four thousand Sikhs all over India were killed by maurauding Congress gangs of killers – revenge for a couple of Sikh guards killing Mrs Indira Gandhi for her crimes against the Sikhs. And Antonia Maino’s husband later justified the wholesale slaughter as a natural reaction. “The ground shakes,” he explained, “when a mighty tree falls.”
Sanjeev, let me know how you feel about Rajiv Gandhi’s engineering of one of the bloodiest episodes in India’s post colonial history. Did you campaign for the trail of Rajiv Gandhi and his minions for murder of Sikhs? How many Sikhs were killed? How many of the Congress goons involved in the murder were killed?
Perhaps you may reply that it was not a Hindu-Muslim riot and no Muslims were killed. Since Sikhs don’t constitute a significant vote bank (unlike the huge vote bank that Muslims constitute for the Congress), they don’t matter. As long as the stated standard is that only Muslim deaths matter, it would be fine. What I cannot stand is the hypocrisy and the double-standards which says that all people are equal but some people have privileges and others don’t.
Some people have the first claim to resources based on their religion – and at the same time maintain that the state is secular. That’s double standards and bullshit on steroids armed with a bazooka.
You see, Sanjeev, I like Modi because he is not a hypocrite. He says it like he sees it. He does not pander to anyone. He does not discriminate among people based on their religion. When he was asked what he has done for the Muslims of Gujarat he replied that “he has done nothing at all.” And then went on to say that neither has he done anything for the non-muslims of Gujarat. He categorically claimed that his allegiance is towards the people of Gujarat and not towards any specific group within it. Those are his words and his deeds are consonant with his views.
Modi is hated by some people because he gets things done, and that is a bad thing because people will wake up to his accomplishments and elect him as their leader – which would be a disaster for lots of very powerful people in all parties. I don’t know for sure but I guess that many powerful people even in the BJP don’t want Modi to win.
The corrupt have it good and they want Modi to come and wreck their little game as much as they want a hole in their heads.
India’s transformation into a prosperous, strong, vibrant and dynamic country can only happen under a committed, visionary, honest, nationalistic, strong leader. Modi is all that and more. He’s intelligent, dedicated and fearless. India can never prosper under the dictates of some foreign woman of uncertain loyalty and limited education, or under kleptocrats and bureaucrats like Manmohan Singh, or flithy retards like Digvijay Singh.
Modi is the one to watch. And just as I am certain that the sun will rise tomorrow, I am certain that Modi will rescue India from the worthless bunch of evil bastards that rule it today.
Sincerely,
Atanu
NOTES:
Islam’s borders are bloody and so are its innards. The fundamental problem for the West is not Islamic fundamentalism. It is Islam, a different civilisation whose people are convinced of the superiority of their culture and are obsessed with the inferiority of their power.
—— “The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of the World Order.”. Samuel Huntington. 1998.
Atanu Dey : Life is a Random Draw 
Saw your RT of Swamy’s FIR application. We need some way to combine Swamy and Modi into one political party.
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Atanu if there’s channeled anger, that was channeled anger 🙂
it did go a bit astray in the middle though and comes across as somewhat apologetic. Riots happen all the time so this is no big deal.
I however, think a better defense is possible.
In my view, i think Modi probably did the best he could.
He probably underestimated the magnitude of the backlash. not surprising, when women and children are roasted, ordinary people dont listen to reason anymore.
This happened in the in the recent UK riots too; it took the cops at least 4-5 days to bring things under control. It also happened in 1993 hours after bomb blasts in Mumbai. the city burned for at least 36 hours until the army came in. of course, since than was a secular congress government, it was fine.
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Good Article sir. The Bhagalpur riots of 1989 with congress ruling at state and center is another stark example of the wrath unleashed by these demons.But people have forgotten after few decades.
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I am a Gujarati and I’ve seen state of my state changing. Government offices are actually functional. Infrastructure (includes roads, electricity, etc) is at a stage where it can support the population. This are things that a good leader should do. It’s expected. If it’s not being done, we should not elect them.
Modi has something extra. He has transformed the thinking. People in Gujarat have a new spark. They want to do things, they never thought they’ll do.
Education in Gujarat is changing. The change is reaching into families.
Modi has inspired so many people. He is a leader in true sense.
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” Of course ultimately it is the ignorant voters of India that is to blame but let’s leave that aside for now.”
🙂 That is convenient. You’re saying ‘the people are fools, but I know better’. Nice.
On a separate note, you state – “Maino and her minions have foreign interests and allegiances….. India can never prosper under the dictates of some foreign woman of uncertain loyalty and limited education….”
For the purposes of argument, I’m willing to give you that she is incompetent, corrupt, interested in making the most money for herself, doesn’t care for the people of India, etc.? But how do you get to her foreign allegiances?
If this is because ‘Dr. Swamy says so, and I believe him’, then that’s fine. Just say so. If this is about, ‘She is a Catholic and is bound to listen to the Pope’s desires to convert India to Christianity, etc.’, then that’s fine as well. Again, just say so. I’m only curious – your frequent complaint used to be that Sonia Gandhi is corrupt and incompetent. Now it has become Sonia Gandhi is corrupt, incompetent, and oh, BTW, her loyalty to India is questionable. Just want to know where the last part comes from.
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Two points I would like to add:
When Godhra riots started on 28th Feb, the paid media bamboozled people into believing that Modi waited for three whole days before calling in the army.
In fact, Modi called in the army immediately, i.e. on the 1st, which is the next day as February has only 28 days. So there lies the biggest lie of the media in manufacturing stories against Modi
Secondly, Modi asked for military from the states of Maharashtra, Rajasthan, and two other adjoining states who refused to send any Military assistance, eventually,the Centre was asked who sent the Army to bring the situation under control on the 2nd March,i.e. two days later..
Lastly, Sonia’s father fought for both Mussolini and Hitler who were involved in mass torture and killings. Should not she apologise for her father’s demeanor instead of publicly calling Modi Hitler.
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Hi Atanu,
I’ve been a silent reader of this blog for a while, but never commented. I’ve been waiting for this post for two reasons:
1) My opinions are quite similar to yours
2) I wanted to better communicate the rationale behind these views
Having said this, I must say I am a bit disappointed as this seems to be more of a “Why are Congress and the Indian media evil?” rather than a “Why is Narendra Modi the right man for the job?” So, for what it’s worth, here are some of the reasons I believe in NaMo:
1) Counter-terrorism: According to the US govt’s Worldwide Incidents Tracking System, Gujarat has the third fewest terror attacks of all Indian states, behind only Rajasthan and Haryana. The most recent of these was over 3 years ago.
2) Foresight: As we can see from the West, development can easily excuse destroying the planet (Global Warming). NaMo has shown that he is unwilling to settle for short term benefits that jeopardize long term safety (yes, GW is a problem of safety). Gujarat leads the nation in Gross Potential of installed wind power units, among many other forms of green energy. For those that think that this is not a big deal, please read up on the problem of global warming and the overwhelming evidence which backs it up. (On a side note, I believe this is most pressing scientific challenge in the world right now)
3) Willingness to relinquish power when necessary: evident not only in the economic deregulation which has allowed the state to prosper, but also in the fact that he resigned from the CM post only to be brought back by popular demand.
4) 24×7 Electricity and Internet
5) Incorruptible: We all know about this, but what people might not know is that Modi ordered the demolition of Hindu temples built illegally, drawing comparisons to Mahmoud Ghazini.
Just a few of the many reasons why India needs Narendra Modi to lead.
Sources:
1) https://wits.nctc.gov/FederalDiscoverWITS/index.do?N=0
2) http://www.cbcglobal.org/CBCG_Library/Insight%20-%20Clean%20Energy%20in%20Gujarat.pdf
3) http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-09-18/special-report/30171588_1_narendra-modi-vibrant-gujarat-summit-prime-ministerial-candidate
4) Vibrant Gujarat youtube videos
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Mooh Tod Jawab Mila Sablok ko
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I am a born Unfortunate in India .. my Misfortunes in increasing order
I am a Lower middle class
I am a Hindu
I am an Upper Caste
and then,
I am male ( what a crime ..)
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A very fine reposte. There has been and is still continuing a lot of disinformation and calumny, which to a discerning mind is simply trash and deserves garbage bin. The wonder is that a lot of ‘intellectuals’ also are taken in, without applying their mind and going through facts. For such people the 58 men women & children brutally charred to death did not merit any sympathy, but the Hindus had no right to rise up in anger. For them it did not matter at all that Modi, a newcomer to politics and power, acted with alacrity to contain the flare up and in the resultant police firing more than 400 Hindus had also died. People like Mr.Sablok appear to have mindset like MK Gandhi who had pontificated that what Muslims did in Moplah rebellion, (like raping Hindu women, killing Hindus by thousands)was what their religion prescribed. But Hindus should gladly offer their daughters and wives to Muslims, if they asked for it! Mr.Modi stands tall among pygmies and we are proud to have amongs us a person like him.
BK Verma
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http://sabhlokcity.com/2011/10/get-rid-of-the-temptation-that-caused-kiran-bedis-downfall/
This Mr Sablok now blames the system and not Kiran Bedi for her petty tricks !!!
How has he assumed that blank cheques were given ??
He need not be taken seriously . A JOKER .
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Did Modi play a part in the Gujarat riots? One would never know for sure. But should we hold him responsible, and should he pay its price for the rest of his life? Certainly not.
It’s not the first time that riots happened in India and it’s not the first time the riots were politically motivated.
1984 – The riots against Sikhs were driven by the Congress. Voters gave them another chance, and another, and another….
Besides, if we don’t blame PM Rao for the riots of 1993 (for being either complicit or incompetent), then we shouldn’t blame Modi either for the riots of Gujarat.
Even if he played some part in the riots, I am willing to give him a second chance. The Indian voters have given other political parties and leaders second chances and there is not reason why Modi shouldn’t get his.
Sure, he is not a liberal but then neither is anyone else in India. (and there is no immediate prospect of a credible liberal alternative) No harm in giving him 5 years at the helm – after all, we have wasted 60-odd years already. Another 5 years won’t make much of a difference if we get it wrong but if Modi turns out to be a wild card, who knows!
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Thanks, Atanu. Glad you are not a fan of BJP – for that party is not only anti-liberty but has not taken a single step forward for India any time it came to power. I have just too many reservations re: BJP and do suggest that we need a totally separate party founded on liberty and the rule of law. That party has not yet been founded in India.
Modi – this is an interesting case. As a person not directly involved I’m trying to piece the case together through public sources of information.
Let me note first that I’ve NEVER absolved the Congress for its many incidents of communal violence. You obviously haven’t read my previous writings (unfortunately I don’t publish in newspapers, but mostly on the internet – however, plenty of info on my views against the communal card used by Congress are readily available on the internet). So let’s not try to compare my position on Modi with my position on someone else. I abhor ANY attempt to kill people on the basis purely of their religion, in a manner not determined through a court of law.
Now for Modi, you’ll pardon me, but you’ve not offered evidence to disprove the case alleged against him, have you? By suggesting that “Powerful people have enemies because their power hurts the interests of others in power. Modi hurts the interests of those in power” and similar things – you do realise, I trust, that no evidence has been offered. Just an opinion.
A couple of years ago you and I sat together in Mumbai for a late dinner with Supratim. Supratim has provided the following data on my blog: “The problem with Modi is that he failed in his fundamental duty to the people of Gujarat. The state’s first function is to ensure the defence of people from external threats and internal goons. He failed this miserably, and not just for one or two days, but for 10-12 days, when goons ran amok in the state of Gujarat killing and maiming and raping and torturing innocent people.”
Also:
“The thing about the Army being despatched to Gujarat is that the Army was never deployed in Ahmedabad, if my memory serves me right – and, Ahmedabad was the central point of the carnage. The Army staged its first flag march in Surat on March 3rd or 4th. I don’t remember now if that was the only flag march they staged.
And, all those talking about the police to people ratio, let us be clear that the killings were neither sporadic nor distributed in nature. The bulk of the killings happened in and around Ahmedabad, the business capital of the state, even if not the administrative capital, but Gandhinagar is also not that far away. And, within Ahmedabad, the bulk of the killings were again concentrated in three areas. And, for those giving excuses about Modi being a “new” administrator – all he had to do was ask his various Secretaries and DIGs to take charge of the matter – they all had over 30 years of experience each in administration. Sitting in Mumbai and watching the carnage from afar, it was evident to most of us that this was a planned lapse in the exercise of power – a space given to allow the lumpen elements to vent their “ire”. Also, for those claiming that many died of bullet injuries in police firing, please provide the data and links.”
Let me suggest that you, I and Supratim sit down and have a chat once again when I’m in Mumbai next February. It will still not prove anything, but what it might do is to point me in the right direction.
I’m NOT willing to accept a murderer (by which I mean someone who connived or motivated murder; presumably even Hitler did not directly kill anyone) as a leader of India. The fact that Modi’s case is not yet closed is what I’m worried about. Had this question not been open, I’d have agreed that he might be a second best option for India (the first best being FTI). Currently, I’m very concerned and not yet persuaded that the allegations against Modi are fictitious.
Let’s leave this here for now. Thanks for this post, which I’ll link to the public “dossier” I’m maintaining on Modi. I’d be pleased the day the question over his name is removed. Then I’d judge him only on policy. Till then let’s not rush to judgement either to condemn or to absolve him.
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Sanjeev, every king(ruler) in the history of any country can be called a murderer because either he directly killed people in a war or caused people to be killed for the state.Modi is also in that category.
The figures of those killed in Gujarat in 2002 also needs to be kept in mind.About 900 Muslims,about 300 Hindus(population ratio in Gujarat is 87% Hindus,13% Muslims).So it was not a one way massacre.
The news of 60 innocent men, women and children coming back from a pilgrim town would anger any Hindu worth his Tilak and a violent reaction is understandable, but may be not be for the likes of you.If you think that violence can be totally eliminated from society than you are living in some different world.
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@RV Anand,
I initially thought that Mr Sabhlok is serious but he turned out to be a completely impractical absolute Randian. His posts (or rants) on Keynes are just getting absolutely ridiculous. So, totally agree with you, that Mr Sabhlok is not a serious thinker or a pragmatic person.
As far as Gujarat riots are concerned, ask anyone who is from Gujarat or who has grown up in Gujarat. There is no continuous 10 year period without communal riots in the major cities, except the last 10 years (almost 10 years) of Mr Modi’s government. It is a huge achievement.
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The whole country accepted Rajiv Gandhi as the primeminister! Wasn’t he a murderer of the Sikhs?
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Modi after the NDC meet
More reason why he should be at the helm.
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@Sanjeev Sabhlok,
In 2008, when Pakistani terrorists took over Mumbai, it was shameful how long it took for commandos to arrive on the scene. In this case also, incidents were highly localized. And, it took long time before all of the terrorists were dead or captured.
Similarly, when riots took place in France, couple of years ago, it took law enforcement agencies a while to control the situation.
Recently, in London riots, again the same thing happened.
Why look abroad, lets take a recent riots in Rajasthan, where we saw how long the administration took to bring the situation to normal.
If these are the real life cases, then why we expect Narendra Modi to bring the soldiers to ground as soon as the order was given. Also, how do you know that he did not ask his subordinates to control the riots. He might have tried everything but unfortunate things still happened.
Having said that, Narendra Modi will have to live with the fact that Gujarat riots did take place under his watch. And, he could not control it timely.
Over the last 10 years, Narendra Modi has been pronounced guilty and has been portrayed as a guilty person by most English media outlet in the country. The dictum of “innocent until proven guilty” has been completely thrown out of window. If courts were to decide libel suite faster, imagine the amount of money Modi would have made. Moreover, many of the current media outlets would have gone out of business. In any case, I am surprised to see that even you as a former civil servant has forgotten that dictum (unless you have some insider information). The thing that gets me is if he is guilty then why the whole might of UPA has not been able to prosecute him so far? If he is guilty, prosecute him fast under the laws of the land and send him to jail (or hang him).
Although, you say that “Till then let’s not rush to judgement either to condemn or to absolve him.” But by calling him a murderer you are doing just that.
It seems that even the right thinking people of our country has started to get into the “Modi is a murderer” bandwagon now and the sustained campaign of the English media is seems to be succeeding.
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Manish, ^excellent comment!
The only reason people like Sabhlok jump on that bandwagon is quite simple – to say anything in defense of Modi, or to even state that he’s innocent until proven guilty gets one branded as “Hindutva” or “saffron” or other such mindless tripe from the Left. And then, one has no choice but to defend against such asinine labels, and most people want to avoid taking that risk.
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“On February 28th evening, Chief Minister Narendra Modi announced his decision to deploy the Army, and the next day, March 1st, by 11 A.M. the actual deployment of troops at sensitive points had begun. Violence abated in most major cities, after their arrival with orders to shoot on sight. But security forces were largely outnumbered by the angry flood of people, spreading for the first time like rivers in spate, to rural areas and villages. Apprehending the seriousness of the situation,
“Narendra Modi had made a request for security personnel from neighbouring States of Maharashtra, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan and Punjab. This request was turned down by each State. Why did no one report this fateful refusal?”
http://www.jaia-bharati.org/nicole-elfi/ni-godhra-ang.htm
Sanjeev Sabhlok , Nicole Elfis report says this. Now what is your take on this.
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Well, there seems to be quite a debate going on here.
Alright so here goes my bit.
I do not fully agree with the author’s fully white and fully black painting of Namo being painted. I am a Gujju and I am one of those who have seen development here, on the roads, on the industry side.. I’ve seen so many jobs been made available on the back of a great investment environment created by the CM himself. But I am the one who also believes that my CM is a one who is not very different than others. Make no mistake guys, I am a huge huge fan of Namo.
But the point that I would like to make out is that other leaders of the country have also something similar to him in something – the resources at hand, the authority they exercise over people.. But then I realize that this ‘not very different’ amounts to something which is of humungous proportions. And I now if I see the development everywhere around me and say to myself – that yes, this is what an able administrator must be doing, then just imagine how bad are the other leaders, with the same or more amount of authority and resources, performing..
Guys we are then being surrounded by such pigs as our leaders, with some exceptions like Namo and Nitish Kumar, that it is truly s wonder that we do exist as a country and doing decently well!!
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Good one.
I feel compelled to put a point here.
Having read about Gujarat 2002 only thru TV & New Paper, I’m seeing good amount of info & debate here.
Sanjeev Sablok & Atanu, Both of you have valid points.
I presume Sanjeev is highlighting “Ceaser’s wife should be above suspiscion”, … Any one whom we think should become PM, should be good-character’d…..
Atanu, being hard-nosed pragmatist is choosing the “best among what we have”.
Our current PM, comes with impressive integrity, but is not a man, who can “Get it Done”.
So, if Modi, with his Check-Dam, Jyoti Gram Operations can do better, He surely deserves a chance to lead.
Note: Rampant industrialization has led to Gujarat’s sea-belt and industrial cities being overtly polluted.
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V.Sundaram’s 3-part article on S.K.Modi’s book and Godhra.
http://newstodaynet.com/col.php?section=20&catid=33&id=1879
http://newstodaynet.com/col.php?section=20&catid=33&id=1930
http://newstodaynet.com/col.php?section=20&catid=33&id=1985
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* After the Godhra riots of 2002, there have been very minor Hindu-Muslim “skirmishes” in Ahmedabad. (They can’t even be classified as riots). I don’t readily recollect if anyone has been killed. Contrast this with the predictable annual riots until then, always involving fatalities, always more Hindu lost than Muslim, for at least 20 years prior to 2000 in that unfortunate city.
The riots in 1980-81 and 1985 were particularly bad. A family of 5 (including small children) was burnt alive in those 1981 riots. They were Hindu. In 1985, the army was called in when the Hindu community was bludgeoned. All this history is glossed over when discussing Godhra.
* Why has there not been equal anguish for the innocent pilgrims roasted alive in that railway coach on Feb 27th 2002? That was the obvious trigger for the mayhem that followed. Mr. Noel Parmar, the chief investigating officer in the case and a 40 year state police veteran, specifically outlined how this was a pre-planned conspiracy, bringing forth witnesses who testified that some Muslim thugs purchased a large quantity of petrol the previous evening.
Also, if you weren’t already aware, the first compartment set on fire on that train was the womens reserved coach, S6. This is typical Jihadi behavior – so it was no surprise that those blood-thirsty savages were chanting “Hindustan Murdabad! Pakistan Zindabad!” before they murdered the men, women and children.
* How Modi can really be held as prime culpable for the aftermath baffles me. This is a city with a sordid history of violent clashes between Muslims and Hindus from long before Modi’s time. On this occasion, the Muslim savages surpassed even their own lofty standards to trigger the carnage. There was bound to be a bloodbath on the ground after that. In India, no one could have practically prevented it, given the rapidity with which it unleashed.
The accusations of the police being restrained fail to even acknowledge that everywhere else in India, the police have simply not reacted in time when there is large-scale religious mob violence. By his track record of amazing efficiency and lack of corruption, Modi appears to have fallen short in acting more urgently – there is a HUGE difference between pointing that out and accusing him of complicity!
If you care to look at the police reports, when the police eventually acted, 170 people were killed by the police for refusing to respect the curfew or threatening others. 93 were Muslims and 77 Hindus.
The Nanavati-Shah commission had two ex Supreme court justices – Justice G. T. Nanavati himself and Justice Akshay Mehta. The commission found that the Modi government had played no role in the riots that followed the train burning.
That may not be credible for some but it is clearly good enough for a whole lot. Modi was not found responsible by a Supreme Court constituted commission with 2 respected former Supreme Court justices.
For those people who still have issues, petition the Congress government at the center (who have all the power and motivation to call for another committee) to find proof and nail anyone who planned the riots and withheld security forces. The Supreme Court of India is not controlled by Narendra Modi.
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Regarding the comment by Sanjeev Sabhlok (emphasis, mine): “you’ll pardon me, but you’ve not offered evidence to disprove the case alleged against him, have you?”
Sanjeev lacks even the most basic knowledge of legal process. When a huge accusation is made, it is prosecutorial responsibility to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the accusation is a valid one. Proving one’s innocence is simply not part of the legal process.
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@sanjeev sablok u got it backwards. sir, if you accuse someone of heinous crime it’s you who has to prove not the other way round!! if all you are providing for your evidence is talk with your friend over a bottle of wine (wine being my assumption) and / or news reports, i have 4 words for you -“get a life”. u must be wondering where the 4th word fell off. here’s a clue – it starts with f and has 4 letters.
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Mr.Sabhlok, I was one of those who was looking for your book “Breaking free of Nehru”…….only reason I did not buy the book as yet was because it was currently out of stock on flipkart. But now that I know your views on Modi, I will not bother. Have a nice day, Sir.
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Wasn’t Mr. Modi, responsible for the life and property of every citizen of the state, whatever his or her faith? Wasn’t he responsible for not being able to prevent the Godhra incident? How could 1000 rioters have collected without the knowledge of local police?
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We are all trying to ‘protect’ Modi. Pl stop. Don’t do that.
What he did was overdue. All over the world the Muslims are treated in a democratic manner whereas they behave autocratic. There is that saying in Hindi ‘laton ke bhoot baton se nahi mante’. Since the lesson they were taught, after the shameful Godhra episode, there has not been any major Muslim bad behaviour in Gujarat. They all follow the democratic norms and are progressing. They know that they will be given a fitting reply if they disturb the communal harmony. Ofcourse Akshardham was attacked thereafter and I feel that the public should have taken them to task. They get away under the guise that there are some who want to want to disturb the communal harmony, but they all celebrate these acts. This is a demon created by the congress, for their votes, so that they can stay in power to loot the country.
These cowards have to be dealt with in the language they use and understand. No point ‘talking in English to illiterate’.
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Now there is this Aaron on 24.20.112 who wonders how it came to be known that Sonia is not loyal to India. He is like the ostrich with its head in the sand.
The Quattorchi episode: His accounts were unfrozen just for so long so that he could withdraw his monies??
Her sisters being introduced to Carla Bruni after India signed the military aircrafts with France. Gosh it would take a moron not to be able to see this thru. There is an account in Rajiv Gandhi’s name in the Swiss bank with 29000 m USD as exposed by wikileaks. This is some of the things we know. 176 lakh crores in the 2G, a few hundred thousand crores in the CWG and they go scott free until the supreme court steps in, do you think that the Maino clan would have kept quiet if they did not get the 60% cut? Why they even haul up Arvind Kejriwal for the Rs.9 lakhs or Kiran Bedi for the Rs.78,000 to think they would pass these huge sums by??
Gosh some people are naive. Sonia is here for the money. She has no love for the country where millions go hungry every day while she stashes away money which she will never use (what an irony of fate for the unfortunate). All of that money, beyond what is used, is only a pile of shit. And she has more than she can handle. She can keep all that she can use in whatever way she can, the bitch, but then atleast the rest can be used for the poor and the hungry of the country? Loyal??
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A friend and I were chatting the other day. If you look at all the troubled spots across the globe, the middle east, south Philippines, southern Thailand, Indonesia, some central and north African countries, some former soviet republics and so on, 95% of them involve Muslims. If you ignore all those, then the world is a pretty peaceful place.
Going local to my place, any time we have had violence in Bangalore it is in Muslim dominated areas like Shivaji Nagar.
The world cannot expect a lasting peace with a religion that preaches violence and destruction of others.
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@khandke : the same way when local police of mumbai did not know of a plan being hatched in mumbai for more than 8 months, when weapons and bombs came and went freely and got transferred from one house to another with relative ease, to blast mumbai in 93..
the same way indian navy with all high end surveillance technology could not detect the boat intrusion at gateway of india in 2008,
the same way local police did not figure when a mob in hundreds burnt rama bai chaal,
the same way local police in kerela did not figure when mob in hundred burnt alive 8 hindu fishermen.. i can go on an on..but i’ll spare you the list of “intelligence failures”.. u are hopefully smart enuf to get the point..
this may come as a news for you, but gujarat police did not get trained in mars.
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This is a new one. According to respected Mr.Yogesh Khandke, Modi should be held responsible for the brutal murder of 55 hindu women and children by the muslim mob at Godhra. Maan gaye sirji. You are a genius.
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Here is an article by Sabhlok’s intellectual brother.
http://www.tehelka.com/story_main50.asp?filename=Op051111American_Darling.asp
This guy calls himself a political “thinker” and activist.
No doubt his effort will be heralded as the highest form of intellectualism.
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Interesting discussion going on here. While some has rightly pointed out the misadventures of muslim community time and again, and how Gujrat has been peaceful since Godhara, there have been numerous incidents in recent Indian History when the muslim community was dealt with equal or more force, they stopped instigating riots.
One of the cities which has always-always seen the ugliness of hindu-muslim riots, and where hindus were alwasy at the receiving end (like other rioting incidents) was Meerut. In 1987 riots, one of the muslims majority neighborhood pelted a police patrol with stones and molotov cocktails from rooftops and then made the mistake of pulling the rifle/or the policeman (there are two versions) into the house. After that PAC (the armed constablury) went house to house search and picked about 40 muslims who resisted arrest. Their bodies were found several days after in a canal. That’s the last Meerut saw the riot. Even when the disputed structure in Ayodhya was demolished, there was not a peep in meerut and remained largely peaceful.
As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:
US – Muslim 0.6%
Australia – Muslim 1.5%
Canada – Muslim 1.9%
China – Muslim 1.8%
Italy – Muslim 1.5%
Norway – Muslim 1.8%
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:
Denmark – Muslim 2%
Germany – Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom – Muslim 2.7%
Spain – Muslim 4%
Thailand – Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves – along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:
France – 8%
Philippines – 5%
Sweden – 5%
Switzerland – 4.3%
The Netherlands – 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago – 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:
Guyana – 10%
India – 13.4%
Israel – 16%
Kenya – 10%
Russia – 15%
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
Ethiopia – 32.8%
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
Bosnia – 40%
Chad – 53.1%
Lebanon – 59.7%
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania – 70%
Malaysia – 60.4%
Qatar – 77.5%
Sudan – 70%
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
Bangladesh – 83%
Egypt – 90%
Gaza – 98.7%
Indonesia – 86.1%
Iran – 98%
Iraq – 97%
Jordan – 92%
Morocco – 98.7%
Pakistan – 97%
Palestine – 99%
Syria – 90%
Tajikistan – 90%
Turkey – 99.8%
United Arab Emirates – 96%
100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ – the Islamic House of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
Afghanistan – 100%
Saudi Arabia – 100%
Somalia – 100%
Yemen – 100%
Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.
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very good analysis. it’s interesting how israel with 16% muslims manages everything. the diff b/w hindus and jews is that jews learnt their lessons better.
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Excellent analysis by BayAreaBiker….. very original and very revealing. It requires a spot as a blog post of its own, not just as a comment.
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Muslims are trouble everywhere and here’s the main reason why??
Because there are Koranic Suras (verses) prescribing EXPLICIT violence against infidels. The lines below are excerpted from the so called Holy Koran that masquerades as a religion of peace…
Read carefully….Kill unbelievers wherever they find them (Q.2:191),murder them and treat them harshly (Q.9:123),fight them, (Q.8:65), until no other religion than Islam is left (Q.2:193),humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax if they are Christians or Jews(jiziya tax)(Q.9:29), slay them if they are Pagans (Q.9:5), crucify, or cut off their hands and feet, expel them from the land in disgrace. And as if this were not enough, “they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter” (Q.5:34), not befriend their own fathers or brothers if they are not believers (Q.9:23), (Q.3:28), kill their own family in the battles of Badr and Uhud and asks Muslims to “strive against the unbelievers with great endeavor: (Q.25:52), be stern with them because they belong to hell (Q.66:9). Had enough ? There’s more in quran. Go and read it.
One can understand Muslims completely only when one knows what is exactly there in the Koran.
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many would like to believe that Gujarat riots happened because 58 Hindus were burnt in a train bogey at Godhra. Yes, it is true only to an extent. Godhra was just the fuse that was ready to go off. There was long pent up anger in the Hindu. The only surprise is that it took so long. We can’t really blame Sanjeev and i his ilk. They go by what they have learnt. Indian history, for the past hundred years has been completely white washed of all the crimes of Islam. What started as a strategy to get Muslims’ cooperation –which the Congress never got anyway — has become state policy — “under no circumstances will Muslim atrocities be ever made public.” As far as Hindu Muslim riots and killings go — Hindus massacre by Muslims started on the first victory of Islam in Sind in 712CE. Since then it has been an almost constant feature till the British took control of India. Talking of Hindu Muslim tolerance Jinnah had it right when he said whatever Hindu Muslim coexistence has there been it has been only during the British period and maintained by the British bayonet. As far as Hindu Muslim riots in the modern sense go, it will be surprising for many to learn that the first Hindu Muslim riots took place in 1713 — and above all places it was in Ahmedabad. Since then Hindu Muslim riots have been an almost regular feature on the Indian scene. The bloody riots during partition and Muslim weakness in whatever was left of India gave a respite of a few decades. Once Muslims got the confidence again their colors started showing again. India is back to where it was before partition. If one has to compare Gujarat riots in 2002 — it should be compared with Calcutta massacre of Aug 1946 when on Jinnah’s call for Direct action day CM Suhrawardy gave a day off to police and let the Muslim orgy operate with full force and 10000 Hindus lay dead in the streets of Calcutta. If Sanjeev wants to know about riots he should google Calcutta massacre, Direct Action day, Moplah massacre, Noakhali massacre etc and find what riots are all about?
It is easy to blame Modi – all the cards are stacked against him.
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It is just that many Muslims choose to believe those one sided statements literally. They venerate the same set of biblical prophets as Jews and Christians but their respective social behavior is markedly different.
I think any scripture or constitution of a country is subject to interpretation. With the same constitution in effect, the U.S. can decide to have death penalty for its citizens or no death penalty. Islam can definitely use a reformation of sorts that should come from within themselves.
From time to time I come across the similar kind of quotations from other religions (Old Testament and some Indian scriptures)as well against women and other ethnicities. But the present day practitioners of these religions know better to ignore those verses and understand them only figuretively in context.
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Kanchan Gupta on Modi Report to PM on controlling inflation
http://kanchangupta.blogspot.com/2011/11/narendra-modi-report-on-food-price.html
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Hey Atanu,
Wonderful post as usual. The Nehru Gandhi royal dynasty is nothing more than a blight, a curse, a cancer that the voters need to excise before India shrivels into nothing. While we’re on the subject I would like to recommend another book on Nehru’s imbecilic policies childishly naive ideology. It’s called “The Nemesis of Nehru Worship” by N.R. Waradpande, and is available for free download on his website, nrwaradpande.com. Unfortunately, the website seems to have gone down on October 23rd, but thankfully I’ve already downloaded the book and I have some of the other books and articles he posted up there. It seems like the kind of thing you’d be interested in, given that he argues along similar lines that Shri Sita Ram Goel does, and even quotes Goel’s writing in his work. Reply to this comment and I’ll see if I can email the book to you. Btw do you know if Shri Goel published Volume 2 of his “Genesis and Growth of Nehruism? I can’t seem to find it anywhere.
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Mr Atanu,
Ignore people like Sabhlok…. They live in alice’s wonderland :)..
Devoid of Logic and full of pre-cpceived notions or may be smart enough having political motives :)…
anyways new generation is very aware now.. Internet has made us see that Islamic Fundamentalism is a universal phenomenon…
Modi needs to stand his ground…
India will be fortunate if Modi becomes its Prime Minister
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Sanjeev Sablok is a “secular” intellectual who wants to run away or deny the truth.
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@BayAreaBiker : Hey man ! take a bow 🙂 that’s a brilliant analysis of group behavior…
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What can I do to not stop you from such posts? I know Rajesh is enough:-) . But I want you to know, that many minds are informed by your blogs than you can imagine.
Suggestions :#1. we need such writings in many languages.If not already implemented please rush it up. #2. If not writings, we need translation of your posts in all possible Indian languages, (I am ready to do it in hindi 🙂 ) #3. We need a sound back up plan. (Hope Rajesh Jain reads it). #4. Please don’t miss to mention the conspiracy of MSM in any future post. This is the largest threat. We can’t educate 1.2bn people of economics, but we can toss the credibility of MSM.
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