It is based on perfectly logical and reasonable premises. What’s there not to like about Christianity?
“The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree . . . yeah, makes perfect sense.”
Atanu Dey : Life is a Random Draw 
poor followers!
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my fellow christians, observing all these i can say that the second coming is very near.. our god already said that if any wont listen just leave the dust from your feet. their wish.
Its revealed in the revelation, the people like these let them remain like this.God already shared many things with his disciples about his second coming and gave many symbols and symptoms.We know that its happening.We have answers to say for these poor guys.But dont worry you tried best.Be ready and alert.Because his day will come like a theif.
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Please don’t say things like this if you are not going to believe the grace and mercy of our God’s son please keep it to yourself. And Jesus is not a zombie he is the living embodiment of God made flesh. Thank you
Lately I have been seeing posts like how Christianity is dumb or whatever but if you actually study the bible and a little history you will realise that everything actually adds up, it makes perfect sense. And you would also see the shortcomings of human science.
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I have seen the website from where you got this pic. Its funny as hell and exposes the illogical and irrational religion that Christianity is. Not that other religions are rational or logical. I mean if they are logical and rational they wont remain religions anymore.
However I feel that Advaintin school of though is the closest to logic and rational though. However mainstream Hinduism as praticed is irrational and stupid to the core. The only thing is that Hindus don’t go around the world asking people to get saved by accepting a god or an entire pantheon of gods inoder to achive salavation or that some zombie is going to come and rapture them to heaven.
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Yeah, how about mainstream Hinduism? Absurd? Surely. Irrational – you betcha. Obscurantist? In spades.
Come on Atanu – give us a nice poster on Hinduism.
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svs:
Why not try yourself? Just make up one nice juicy quote which summaries Hinduism. I am certain that you are knowledgeable enough about Hinduism and intelligent enough to make a summary of it.
I am looking forward to it. I promise to post it to my blog.
Atanu
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Loved the post!
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Here are some examples of the power of Christian ‘love’
http://www.geocities.com/paulntobin/mission.html
Tahiti
In 1797, thirty years after the discovery of Tahiti by
Wallis, the first missionaries landed on the island. The missionaries, sent
by the London Missionary Society, tried for seven years to convert the
natives but were unable to make any headway.
It was then that they discovered, as if by miracle, the proper method of
converting the Tahitians. They discovered that the local chief, Pomare,
liked alcohol (distilled by the missionaries) – so much that he became an
alcoholic. Addicted to the distilled spirit (perhaps the holy spirit),
Pomare agreed to back the missionaries in their work of conversion. Pomare,
supplied with western firearms, easily subdued his native opponents. Upon
his victory over his rivals, the whole island was forcibly converted in one
day.
Then the process of inculcating “Christian virtues” began. Persistent
unbelievers, those who refused to be converted, were executed. Singing was
banned (except for hymns) and all forms of adornment, flowers or tattoo were
disallowed. Of course, surfing and dancing were not permitted as well. The
punishment for breaking any of these rules included, among others, being
sentenced to hard labour.
Within thirty years of missionary control, the population of Tahiti fell
from an inital estimate of 20,000 to 6,000.
From Tahiti, the missionaries moved on to the neighbouring islands. They
employed the same tactic that had served them so well in Tahiti: they would
introduce the local chief to alcohol, made him and alcholic, convert him to
Christianity and then leave it to the chief to convert the locals. After
converting the majority the minority that refused to convert were persecuted
and sometimes executed. On the island of Raratonga, men were conscripted
into the missionary police to help eliminate the remaining idolators. On
another island, Raiatea, a man who was able to forecast the weather by
studying the behaviour of fish was executed for witchcraft.
This was how the South Pacific was Christianized. [2]
Africa
Africa is widely considered to be a missionary success story. Sub-Saharan
Africa is widely considered to be the most Christianized place on earth.
Kenya, for instance, has 65% of its population claiming to be active
Christians. [active meaning church-going]. In Malawi, 68% of the populace
made the same claim. The Democratic Republic of Congo (formerly Zaire) has
nearly 200 times as many evangelical Christians as its former colonial
master, Belgium.[3]
Perhaps the most famous missionary to Africa was David Livingstone
(1813-1873). Livingstone spoke of “the white man’s burden” to evangelize and
civilize the peoples of Africa. (Nobody bothered the ask the Africans what
they thought of this!). A rarely know fact about Livingstone is that, as a
missionary, his mission to Africa was a complete failure. Throughout his
many years in Africa he made only one known convert. Even this convert,
Sechele, eventually lapsed from his faith. Yet it was Livingstone, through
his book Missionary Travels and Researches in South Africa (1857) and his
lectures in England, who introduced a whole new group of Europeans to the
“romance” of missionary activities.[4]
Yet, in reality missionary activities were anything but romantic. Many of
the missionaries’ attempts to free slaves and teach them Christianity
amounted to no more than changing one form of slavery to another. Given
below is an account of how the Holy Ghost Fathers, a missionary group in the
second half of the ninenteenth century, went about “freeing” and
Christianizing the slaves:
In 1868 the Holy Ghost Fathers chose Bagamoyo as the site of the first
mission station on the East African mainland…Their ambition was to build a
Christian community of freed slaves. Ransoms were paid to slave traders for
the freedom of thousands to slaves. Most of those released were placed in
“Freedom Village” on the mission compound, but they soon discovered that
their freedom was not absolute. The disciplinary codes enforced by the
missionaries were severe, with a rigorous timetable of work, Christian
education and prayers. As the baptised ex-slaves grew up, they were married
off in batches and resettled under the authority of a missionary priest in a
Christian village somewhere inland. [5]
The anthropologist Jaques Maquet had called missionary activities in Africa
a “religious commando attack, aimed at extirpating ‘superstitious and
idolatrous’ practices and converting whole groups.” [6]
The missionaries in general have little respect for African cultures and
regard their peoples as ignorant savages. One early twentieth century
methodist missionary in Umtali, Zimbabwe, wrote of the people he had set out
to evangelize: “Heathen and naked as new born babies, and as ignorant as
beetles.” The solution was simple, educate the children away from their
parents and give them western clothing to wear to cover their naked bodies.
As another missionary from Umtali wrote in a letter to the US in 1916:
“Heathen mothers do not know much, but many boys and girls go to our schools
now and are begging to read God’s word and write and to take care of their
bodies and be clean and dress like the people of America.” These “heathen”
boys and girls were also given “Christian” names like Kitchen, Tobacco,
Sixpence or Bottle. [7]
The missionaries were, of course, part of the oppressive colonial forces in
Africa. In an effort to set up a successful mission in what is now Zimbabwe,
Catholic Jesuits entered into an alliance with the British South Africa
Company (BSAC). Ran by Cecil Rhodes (1853-1902), the collaboration between
the Jesuits and the BSCA would have made any imperialist proud. BSAC needed
labor for their gold mines but the native South Africans were not
interested. They were self sufficient farmers and thus had no need for the
salaries offered for work in the mines. The imperialists hit upon a
brilliant idea, the “hut tax”, a form of property tax imposed on Africans
that must be paid in cash. [It is important to note that white farmers did
not have to pay these taxes.] Thus to pay for the tax, the Africans were
forced to work. If they failed to pay, they were imprisoned and then sent to
work as prison laborers anyway! In return for donation of land and
protection from Rhodes, the Jesuit took the role of collecting the hated
taxes for the BSAC![8]
Today the number of missionaries from liberal churches are dwindling, their
numbers being taken over by the fundamentalist, pentacostal and evangelical
churches. However much like their ecclesiastical forefathers of the previous
centuries, these missionaries do not believe the Africans, now largely
Christians, are smart enough to keep the faith and churches going. Thus the
rallying cries of the new missionaries involve “making Africa born again” or
“fighting the forces of secularism” or “battling AIDS”. Yet is it obvious
that it is not the social or physical well being of Africans that concerns
these modern day missionaries.
Armed with US$250,000 from the Southern Baptish Convention, Dr. John
Goodgame, an American missionary in Uganda, launched a most unusual campaign
against AIDS. Rather than using the money to provide healthcare or medicine,
the money was used to purchase and distribute 100,000 Bibles with sheets
pasted onto them giving selected Biblical passages to read. Some of these
passages are predictable exhortations against adultery and other such
“carnal” pleasures. [9]
Yet, just as 150 years of Christian missionary activities failed to prevent
poverty, under-development, famine, apartheid and civil wars in Africa, it
is unlikely that these new evangelical missionaries will be a force for any
good there.
Asia
With the exception of the Phillipines and South Korea, Asia has been quite
resistant to Christian evangelism. The missionaries found resistance from an
entrenched Islam in countries such as Indonesia, Malaysia and Brunei. In
countries with deep cultures such as India, China and Japan, the locals saw
little need to replace their prevailing myths with foreign ones. Yet this
lack of success have not stopped Christian missionaries from the conversion
activities and causing much suffering among native peoples.
Our first story concerns the Mois, a native tribe of Vietnam of
Malayo-Polynesian stock related to many of the native peoples of Southeast
Asia such as the Dayaks of Borneo islands and the Aetas of the Philippines.
From an initial estimate of one million populating the mountainous regions
of South Vietnam, their numbers began to dwindle in the 1950’s. This was
partly due to these people being forced into hard labour by the French
colonialists and partly due to the activities of the missionaries.
As an example of how missionary activities could lead to a dwindling native
population is that of the Bihs, a subtribe of the Mois. In the 1940’s one of
the eleven evangelists who came with the returned French troops after the
defeat of the Japanese, went to Boun Choah, the main village of the Bihs.
Other missionaries had unsuccessfully tried to covert the Bihs before. One
Catholic missionary managed a total of only ten conversions in five years.
However the new missionary, a Mr. Jones, was not to be detered. Upon
studying the Bihs, he found that one of the principle acts of their beliefs
was the custom of burial. Their dead was not buried at first, but left in
open coffins on trees. After a couple of years, the bones were thoroughly
cleaned, and after some ceremonial offerings, they were finally buried.
Mr. Jones used his political influence to force the French acting resident
to suppress this custom. When the police arrived to protect him , Mr. Jones
went personally to the trees, pulled down all the coffins on the trees and
threw the contents, be they bones or decomposing corpses, into a common
grave. The Bihs were then converted. Convinced that their ancestors have
deserted them due to the desecration of their burial customs, the Bihs
stopped producing offsprings. One local Bih explained that his people had
resigned themselves to extinction. [10]
Next on our list is Thailand. The success of the Christian mission there has
been abysmal. 170 years after the arrival of the first Protestant
missionaries , there are today no more than 300,000 Christians there in a
population of 55 million. Buddhism here (as in Japan) have proven to be a
bulwark against Christianity. The missionaries have thus turned to the hill
tribes who are neither Buddhist nor ethnic Thai. One such tribe is the
Akha.
There are nearly 70,000 Akha tribes people in Thailand, with many more in
the neighboring countries of Myanma, Loas, Vietnam and China. The Akhas are
the poorest of the nine hill tribes of Thailand. They live in conditions of
poverty and are generally ignorant of the outside world. Some Akhas had
taken to growing opium while some women have turned to prostitution. That
the Akhas need help is not doubted, that they need missionaries is highly
unlikely.
Matthew McDaniel of the Akha Heritage Foundation had chronicled the abuse
missionaries had inflicted in the Akhas and their culture. Given below is a
summary of his findings. [11]
Many of these Christian missionaries to the Akhas come from the US with some
coming from other Asian countries. The missions have been at work with the
Akha for more than eighty years. Obviously their objective is not to
alleviate the social conditions of the Akha but rather to use the Akhas’
poverty and lack of political clout as a wedge to force Christianity upon
them. The methods are brutal. Honing in on the “weakest point” in a village,
such as a family with problems with the elders, the missionaries would
increase their converts. Upon reaching a “critical mass” of converts, the
missionaries would claim the village as “Christian” and forbid all practice
of the Akha religion. The net effect is clear, even Akhas who have not
converted can no longer practice what has been an important part of their
culture. Some churches have gone even further. They forbid the Akhas to
practice any aspect of their culture. This includes songs, dances and
traditional ceremonies associated with the harvest. In doing this the
missionaries are depriving the Akhas of a basic right of indigenous people
as defined by the United Nations. [12]
The missionaries have little respect for the Akhas, their cultures and even
their well being. One Baptist Mission, run by an American Chinese lady,
resorted to broadcasting it’s religious message over the public announcement
system (loudspeakers) to the entire village, no consideration was given to
whether the villagers like it or not! [To get an idea of how unpalatable
this would be to the Akhas, imagine being bombarded by Osama bin Laden’s
preaching over the loudspeaker condemning the “crusaders” and proclaiming
Allah’s will]. This mission, well funded, had added another building on its
location as well as two satellite dishes on its roof. Yet they are unwilling
to provide economic help to the Akhas. Unable to provide for his children,
one Akha man drank herbicide and committed suicide. He lived no more than 20
meters away from the mission compound. When asked why they didn’t help in
cases of such desperation, the mission replied simply that they “cannot help
everybody, we are here to teach the Bible.”
Like many cases throughout history, Christianity looks set to play a
prominent role in the cultural extinction of the Akhas.
Papua New Guinea is an island situated at the edge of the Southeast Asian
archipelago, just north of Australia. It has a modest population of 3.3
million. With 2,300 missionaries, or roughly 1 missionary for every 1430
Papua New Guineans, the country has the highest proportion of missionaries
in the world. Has this proliferation of Christian proselytization lead to
any spiritual revival? No, only more cultural genocide.
One example of the missionary attitude is that of Reverend Paul Freyburg, an
American Lutheran, who said “I rejoice in the memories of what I have done
and pray that it will continue. I don’t believe that our mission destroyed
much of any value.” Rev. Freyburg came to New Guinea in the 1930’s and,
except for a brief interval during world war II, have remained there ever
since. What did Rev. Freyburg destroy in his long missionary carreer? He
held “renunciation festivals” at which he was called in to destroy “things
of darkness”. This of course includes, “magical objects” and also what he
ignorantly described as “vegetable items”. The former are irreplaceble works
of arts and crafts by the natives. The latter are priceless herbal remedies
and are important heritage of folk medicine. The natives were forbidden to
perform any cultural dances and to observe their native festivals. [13]
Fundamentalists missionaries are today at the forefront of such activities.
One such mission, the Pioneers, works among the Ningram people. Sal Lo Foso,
a missionary there, has no qualms about his activities. These include
destroying the “haus tamburan”, a “spirit house” which is the normal focal
point of village life for the Ningram, and building in its place, a church.
All forms of traditional songs and dancing were forbidden. Such destruction
of the Ningram culture has no meaning to Lo Foso, for he believed that for
the Ningrams to be “born again”, they must make a clean break with their
past.[14]
The missionaries lack of understanding and unwillingness to try and
understand native cultures have left much suffering in their trail.
Australian administrators reported a case in which missionaries refused to
baptised men because they were polygamous. The men started divorcing their
“excess” wives, leaving the women and their children without much visible
support in their society. Another man, with three wives, on being told that
he can only have one, simply killed two of them, so that he could then-being
a monogamous Christian-“go to heaven”![15]
This rush by the natives to get converted has little to do with the
Christian message but everything to do with the “cargo” they carry.
[I]t was the possessions, the cargo, which the missionaries had in
abundance that mainly impressed the tribal people. Inevitable they assumed
that since the Christian God blessed his followers with cargo, they they too
would be rewarded for following the “Gutnuis Bilong Jisas Kraist.” (New
Guinean pidgin for the gospel) [16]
Papua New Guinea is now 94% Christian. Yet missionaries still arrive in
droves. Why? For the simple reason that they are now importing their
denominational bickering into the country. Thus an Anglican missionary
reported finding leaflets circulated among his congregation by missionaries
from the Seventh-Day Adventist church telling them that worshipping of
Sunday is a sure fire step to Hell! In a similar manner, the New Tribes
Mission (or NTM-for more info on this group see the section on South America
below), tells the confused Papua New Guinean that the papacy is the
antichrist. In fact some fundamentalists have taken to distributing the
tracts by Christian publisher Jack T Chick, with cartoons showing, among
other things, Catholic monks going through a secret passage way for an orgy
with nuns![17]
Pettifer and Bradley summarised the situation in Papua New Guinea thus:
The future alone will reveal the cultural cost and the political
consequences of importing the theological bickering of Western Christianity
into an already divided society.[18]
Mother Teresa
In India too, the success of Christian missions have been limited to the
marginal groups: the untouchables, the hill tribes and the “Anglo-Indians”
(Indians with mixed parentage).[19] Some missions in India had tended to
concentrate on proselytizing through the provision of social services to the
poor and needy. While this is certainly a better method than the ethnocidal
methods of the fundamentalists, it should not be forgotten that these social
services in general play a subserviant role to theology. The mission once
headed by Mother Teresa (1910-1997) is a case in point.
Born in Albania in 1910, Agnes Gonxha Bojaxhiu, became a nun and a
missionary to India. She subsequently changed her name to Teresa. Her work
among the poor in Calcutta attracted the world wide attention culminating
with a Nobel Peace Price in 1979. [20] Yet her work has been criticised as
not one based on the alleviation of suffering but on the morbid theological
celebration of pain and suffering. Christopher Hitchens outlined these
rather disturbing facts in his book The Missionary Position: Mother Teresa
in Theory and Practice (1995):
Dr. Robin Fox, editor of the medical journal The Lancet, visited Mother
Teresa’s operation in Calcutta in 1994. He reported that he was very
“disturbed” by what he saw. There was little anesthesia to be seen and a
near total neglect of medically sound diagnosis. Why were not the sisters
given proper training in simple diagnosis as well as in managing pain?
Because according to Dr. Fox, Mother Teresa “preferred providence to
planning; her rules are designed to prevent any drift towards
materialism.”[21]
Mary Loudon, a volunteer in Calcutta, had even worse things to say about
Mother Teresa’s operation. She reported seeing in the Home for the Dying
more than a hundred men and women all dying and not been given much medical
care. Pain killers used do not go beyond aspirins. The nuns were rinsing the
needles used for drips with plain tap water. When Loudon asked them why they
were not sterilizing the needles, the reply was simply they had no time and
that there was “no point”. She also recounted the case of a fifteen year old
boy who was dying because of a treatable kidney complaint. All that was
needed was a cab fare to take the boy to a proper hospital. But Mother
Teresa’s peons refused to do so, for “if they do it for one, they had to do
it for everybody.”[22]
· Susan Sheilds, who worked for almost ten years as a member of Mother
Teresa’s order, subsequently left the movement because of the atrocious
negligence she witnessed there. The order’s obsession with poverty means
that the nuns and volunteers works under conditions of austerity, rigidity
and harshness. Due to Mother Teresa’s fame, Ms. Sheilds reported that the
charity had around US$50 million in their bank account in the US. The
donations kept pouring in, yet little of these were used to procure medicine
or to provide better health care for the suffering. The nuns were rarely
allowed to spend money on the poor they are trying to help. [23]
· To Mother Teresa, like all other missionaries, spiritual well being
over-rides everything else. As Ms. Sheilds reported, “Mother Teresa taught
her nuns how to secretly baptised those who were dying. Sisters were to ask
each person in danger of death if he wanted a ‘ticket to heaven’. An
affirmative reply was to mean consent to baptism. The sister was then to
pretend she was just cooling the person’s forehead with a wet cloth, while
in fact she was baptizing him, saying quietly the necessary words. Secrecy
was important so that it would not come to be known that Mother Teresa’s
sisters were baptising Hindus and Muslims.”[24]
Perhaps a poignant summary of Mother Teresa’s mission can be seen in a story
recounted by herself. A dying man was in terrible pain. She told him “You
are suffering like Christ on the cross. So Jesus must be kissing you.” To
which the man replied: “Then please tell Jesus to stop kissing me.” [25]
South America
It is in South America that the missionaries are at their most destructive.
During the conquest of the “New World”, beginning in the 15th century,
Catholic priests and friars, accompanied the invading armies of Spain and
Portugal. All kinds of coercive methods were used to subjugate and
evangelize the Indians. The Indians were exploited, enslaved and made to
work for the settlers in return for protection and religious instructions. A
total of up to 15 million Indians were reported to have died due to such
brutality. [26]
The major damage done in modern times are by fundamentalists evangelical
groups. The two main sects that have major activities in South America are
the Summer Institute of Linguistics (SIL) and the New Tribes Mission (NTM).
The very name, Summer Institute of Linguistics, suggests an attempt at
deception, of concealing their missionary activities. To the South American
governments, the SIL presents itself as lingusitic investigators of the many
languages of the native tribes of the continent. Under this cover, its 3,500
missionaries conduct their goal of converting the natives. It’s founder
William Townsend defends this patently dishonest method by asking the
rhetorical question: “Was it honest for the Son of God to come down to earth
without revealing who he was?” [27]
Founded by Paul Fleming, the NTM today boasts of 2,500 missionaries in 24
countries worldwide. More conservative and ardently fundamentalist than the
SIL, the NTM has a pronounced policy of recruiting young evangelists of
limited education. Their lack of sensitivity for these native tribes can be
seen in some of their descriptions of them. The natives are referred to as
“naked savages” by Jean Johnson, the widow of a young NTM missionary, in her
book God Planted Five Seeds . In one instance, Les Pederson, the NTM Field
Co-ordinator for Latin America was reported to have said “those Indians all
look pretty much the same”. [28]
How do these sects, and others, spread the word of God? Do they learn the
language and then preach? Do the natives then, by virtue of hearing the
“Truth” with a capital “T”, automatically become Christians? No. The methods
employed are devious.
One method, as explained by Victor Halterman, of the SIL, involves cutting
off the natives from their source of livelihood. This involve a few distinct
steps; in the words of Halterman himself:
When we learn of the presence of an uncontacted group, we move into the
area, build a strong shelter-say of logs-and cut paths radiating from it
into the forest. We leave gifts along these paths-knives, axes, mirrors, the
kind of things the Indians can’t resist-and sometimes they leave gifts in
exchange. After a while the relationship develops. Maybe they are
mistrustful at first but in the end they stop running when we show, and we
get together and make friends.
As the author and journalist, Norman Lewis, explained in his book The
Missionaries: God against the Indians (1988), the gifts are placed in such a
way that at the end the Indians become far removed from their sources of
food and game. It is then that the gifts are stopped. Halterman continues:
We have to break their dependency on us next. Naturally they want to go on
receiving all these desirable things we’ve been giving them, and sometimes
it comes as a surprise when we explain that from now on if they want to
possess them they must work for money. We don’t employ them but we usually
fix them up with something to do on the local farms. They settle down at it
when they realise there’s no going back.
That work at the “local farm” oftentimes amounts to slavery was
(indirectly)admitted by Halterman when he mentioned that “abuses” sometimes
occur. [29]
Another method, aptly called “manhunt” by Lewis, involves the missionaries
going out, sometimes in motorized vehicles, hunting for natives to integrate
them into reservtions set up for missionary work. The NTM, for instance,
went on such a manhunt in Paraguay. Five missionized natives were killed in
one such manhunt. Those unconverted natives were taken to the NTM camp in
Campo Loro. Within a short while, according to Survival International, all
had died of new diseases they had no immunity to. Stung by criticism, the
best reply the NTM ‘s Director in Paraguay could muster was: “We don’t go
after people anymore. We just provide transport.” [30]
A final element needs to be added. As Lewis wrote:
The unimportance of a comfortable earthly life, weighed in the balance
against the threat of eternal punishment in the next, inspires many
missionaries to gather the souls at all costs, often with disregards for the
welfare of the converts’ in this world.[31]
These elements make for a militant fundamentalist missionary campaign. One
that we would expect to cause harm to the natives. And we would be right.
Below are some examples of the evil committed in the name of Christian
evangelism.
The contact work, done in conjunction with the “manhunt” are sometimes done
by Christianized natives who are trained by the missionaries to carry guns.
The “newly contacted” natives are then rounded off to the mission camp. One
American organization, Cultural Survival, reported in 1986 that natives in
the NTM camp in Paraguay were held there against will. In short, they had
been kidnapped.
In another such “manhunt” in 1979, also in Paraguay, one of the freightened
natives fell down from a tree and broke her leg. (Her right breast had
already been shot off by a previous encounter with the missionaries.) She
was compelled, with her broken leg, to walk back to the mission camp. She
subsequently died. [32]
If the process of rounding up the natives to be converted were bad, their
lives within the mission camp were even worse. Some examples.
Once in the mission camp, many of the natives either die from starvation or
from diseases transmitted by the missionaries with which the former had no
immunity against. In one such mission camp in Paraguay, the German
anthropologist, Dr. Mark Munzel, reported that food and medicine were
deliberately withheld by the missionaries. From a total of 277 natives in
April 1972 only 202 survivors were left three months later. A US
congressional report confirmed that 49% of the camp population had vanished!
[33]
Surely the (uninformed) believer may assert: these natives would be allowed
to leave if they do not accept the preachings of the missionaries. Surely
that would be the Christian thing to do. But that is not the case. Take the
following eye witness account by Norman Lewis in a missionary camp in
Paraguay:
I followed him [Donald McCullin-the photographer from The Sunday Times]
into the hut and saw two old ladies lying on some rags on the ground in the
last stages of emaciation and clearly on the verge of death. One was
unconscious, the second in what was evidently a state of catalepsy…In the
second hut lay another woman, also in a desperate condition and with
untreated wounds on her legs. A small, naked, tearful boy, sat at her
side…The three women and the boy had been taken in a recent forest
roundup, the third woman having being shot in the side while attempting to
escape.[emphasis mine][34]
Of course Paraguay is not the only place where the defenceless natives were
subjected to Christian genocide. In Bolivia, William Pencille, of the South
American Missionary Society, was called in to help when white ranchers
moving into the tribal areas came upon the Ayoreos. Pencille persuaded these
natives to stop resisting the encroachment of the cattlemen and to settle on
a patch of barren land beside a railroad tract. The natives, having no
resistance to common diseases of the “modern” man, began to die. Throughout
all this Pencille had the means to save the lives of these people. He had
access to many modes of transport, including an aeroplane, and to funds
which could easily have been used to buy medicines for them. Yet this is
what he said: “It’s better they should die. Then I baptize them (on the
point of death) and they go straight to heaven.” [Extract from a
conversation between William Pencille and Father Elmar Klinger, OFM , quoted
by Luis A. Pereira in The Bolivian Instance] A total of three hundred
natives died in his “care” within a matter of weeks.[35] [a]
In Guatemala, the leadership of the Summer Institute of Linguistics had a
close relationship with the former military dictator Efrain Rios-Montt, a
fellow evangelical Christian and an ordained minister of the Gospel
Outreach/Verbo Evangelical Church. Rios-Montt has been implicated in the
genocide of the indigenous Mayans and political opponents in Guatemala
during his rule in the early 1980’s-with more than 70,000 people reportedly
murdered by his army. His scorched earth policy (or in his own words
“scorched communist policy”) against guerilla insurgents was implemented
indescriminately. More than 400 Mayan villages were burned to the
ground-their properties, crops and lifestock, destroyed. Mayans suspected of
supporting the insurgents were tortured and murdered, their women and girls
raped. In the midst of all these atrocities, Rios-Montt was regularly giving
broadcast sermons on morality! Of course, the fact that Rios-Montt was a
Christian was more important to our missionary friends that the fact that he
was a mass murderer. The relationship between the general and SIL was so
cosy that he once had his henchmen serve as escorts for the SIL. [36]
But the worst of the mission linked atrocities happenned in Brazil. Granted
that the main culprits of the genocide were functionaries of the grossly
misnamed Indian Protection Service, the missionaries were at least partly
responsible for these. In the 1980’s the Brazilian attorney general’s office
began an investigation into the atrocities committed by the agency over a
period of thirty years. It’s findings were shocking.
Many native tribes were hunted, murdered and some to the point of
extinction. Some of these include:
· Munducurus tribe: reduced from 19,000 strong in the 1930’s to 1,200
· Guaranis tribe: reduced from 5,000 to 200
· Cajaras tribe: from 4,000 to 400
· Cintas Largas: from 10,000 to possibly 500
· Tapaiunas: completely extirpated
· Other tribes were reduced to only a few (one or two!)individuals and some
by only a single family.
These peoples were culled by various means by greedy landrobbers who wanted
to developed the untapped natural wealth of the Brazilian rainforest. Some
of the methods include:
· The Cintas Largas were attacked by dropping dynamites from aeroplanes.
· The Maxacalis were given alcohol and then shot down when they became
drunk.
· The Nhambiquera were killed in huge numbers by machine gun fire.
· Two Patachos tribes were exterminated by giving the unsuspecting Idnians
smallpox injections.
· Some of the Indians were murdered by presenting them with food laced with
arsenic and formicides.
The above does not exhaust the creativity of the murderers but should
suffice to show the almost unparalleled cruelty that were visited on the
Indian tribes.
What have all these got to do with the missionaries? The Brazilian newpaper,
O Jornal do Brazil had this to say:
In reality those in control of these Indian Protection Service posts [where
the majority of the atrocities had taken place] are North American
Missionaries…
This was confirmed by the Brazilian ministry of Indians. Thus, in essence,
the missionaries allowed the atrocities to happen. As Lewis remarked:
Despite the law of every civilized country…that those who witness…a
crime without denouncing it to the authorities are held to be accessories to
the crime, there is no record to be found of any such denunciation [by the
missionaries].
As the newspaper O Globo reported: “it was missionary policy to ignore what
was going on.”
Of course the missionaries were not only passively supporting the genocide
of the Brazilian natives. They played active roles in many of the
atrocities. One missionary persuaded 600 Ticuna indians that the end of the
world is taking place and they will only be safe on a ranch. On that ranch
the Indians were made slaves and tortured.
The Bororos, a tribe studied by the reknowned anthropologist Claude
Levi-Strauss, fell prey to the missionaries as well. They were banned by the
missionaries, who were aided by the local police, from performing their
customary burial rites on their dead. That left the Bororos without a
cultural identity and, one by one, they committed suicide. As the O Jornal
do Brazil explained:
It is sad to see the plight in which these people have been left. The
missionaries have deprived them of their power to resist. That is why they
have been so easily plundered. A great emptiness and aimlessness had been
left in their eyes.
Thus was the power of Christian love in the Brazilian jungles. [37]
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this is completely racist
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I do not see ho any one could find this funny
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Harry, it is never funny for Christians when non-christians point out the utter absurdity of Christianity.
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Clearly, many of these people in history are not really Christian. Although millions claim to represent Christ, America has become too ignorant to even know what that means. As a Bible-believing Christian, it grieves me to read how the name of Christ is being blackened by our pride and selfishness.
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I agree with Jim and Harry. This is completely horrible. It’s so sad that the world has created this twisted view of Christianity. It’s not like this at all. I think most Christians these days aren’t actual Chrsitians- they don’t take it seriously enough, and they’re making Christianity look pointless. If you think Christianity is absurd, you probably don’t understand everything about it and see how important it is. I’m not trying to be offensive or anything- I just feel sorry for all the people in the world that believe this…
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Really, if you look at any religion critically, it will seem absurd…
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The eastern ones are less absurd..
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Religions are absurd. But it is only the Abrahamic religions that insist on imposing their faith on others by any means.
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One thing that so many Christians fail to realize is the purpose behind sharing the Gospel. They want to be prideful and take credit when something “good” happens. But when it doesn’t the “imposing” begins. The point of sharing your faith is so that others can experience the joy of knowing the Lord for eternity and see what true grace and forgiveness looks like. It’s not about us. All of this should be done out of love for others. Christians must understand that it isn’t us who through elegant speech convert people. All a Christian is to do is present the Gospel to anyone that will listen, for it is the power of God, for the salvation of everyone who believes. If they do not listen because their heart is hard then just be compassionate and trust that God is sovereign.
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J and Harry, you’re both absolutely wrong. Christianity is crap and this picture is utterly hilarious. Yeah, so If you don’t love the invisible man in the sky, you go to hell where you burn forever and ever because you don’t love the guy? haha haha.. Fuck that. Oh and another question, have you two actually read your holy book? I’m guessing thats a no, because most christians these days haven’t. If you do get around to reading it, you’ll find that your precious and “all loving” god actually supports horrible and evil values and acts like Cannibalism, Murder, Rape, Slavery, Pillaging and Conquering, Genocides (MASSIVE, MASSIVE Genocides), Death, Sexism, Human Sacrifice, etc etc. I could go on and on with evil and dark quotes from the bible that would make you two cry like blubbering babies.
And by the way, how is this racist? This would affect a belief system, not an actual race.
Oh, and If I didn’t make it clear enough, I love the post. And yes, I’m an atheist.
Have a good godless day.
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When you say that most Christians haven’t read the Bible you should look at Jim’s comment- most people have “Christian” as a title and have no idea what that entails. Jesus is a very real person who said very real things. He spoke of Hell more than any other person in the Bible and was very clear that unless you are sinless you will not enter into the presence of a just and holy God. Since we are unrighteous, God is perfectly just in killing every one of us, however, the gift of grace that is freely given to whomever God draws to himself changes everything. In the Bible, God’s power is made known through the Israelites who conquer the land by His power alone- these events are historical. Many of the “evil” acts of God are not evil, but justified. Who are we to talk back to God? Does He not have the right to use some of us for noble purposes and others for common use? This fact still remains that if we believe God created us then we must submit to the fact that he can destroy us. He gives life and He takes it away. That is why the Old Testament is actually an incredible and awesome view of the holiness of God. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. You cannot worship a God who is not just. Christ came to bring light to a dark world and we are to follow after Him.
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Eh, no. As Christians say, not a single person ever has been able to attain the impossible standard SUPPOSEDLY set by God, and are therefore condemned. Philosophically and ethically, people are not responsible for being unable to do something impossible for them, period. A cat is not responsible nor condemned for not being able to do calculus…
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Im Sorry But Yu Got My Region Wrong.& Some Of You Are Letting Satin Get To
You, Satins Trys To Get To SO Much People Its Foolish. Satins Only Here To Kill Steal & Destory He Doesnt Care Bout Yu But God Does He Loves Yu! & Im Going To Pray For You All Of Yu Who Dont Know Jesus The HolySpirt & God My Lord & Savior The King Of Kings & Tha Lord Of Lords Ima Going To Pray For The Ones Who Dont Know Him That He Will Give All You Wisdom & Understanding & Yall Will All Grow Close To His Word Im Sorry But Whoever Put This Really Doesnt Know, He Shoulda Shared How Much God Loves Yu & Everything Jesus Did For You. Do You See That Picture? God Heavenly Father Sent His Only Son JESUS Christ To Die On The Cross For Yours & My Sins, He Suffered When He Did NOTHING Wrong. We Deserved That Not Him, He Was Inncoted But He Loved Us SOO Much Jesus Payed The Price For Us With His Own Blood We Are Forgiven We Are Set Free Remeber No Bad & Evil Things Come From God Only Satin God Will Never Hurt Yu No Matter What You Do Your Sin Can Be Forgiven & He Will Always Love Yu However If Yu Disrespect The Holy Spirt That Is The ONLY Sin That Cannot Be Forgiven So Becareful That Is A Warning We Will All Have To Face God On Judgement Day One Day. He Created You He Knows Every Lil Thing Bout You Even How Much Hairs You Have On Your Head You Are A Beautiful Creative He Made So How Could Some Of Yall Say Those Things? Yall Dont Know Much About Being A Christan But Please Dont Let The DEVIL Win (PS Jesus NEVER Said He Was Hes Own Father God Is His Father & He Understand The Things You Go Thru But Please Know Things Couldve Been Worse And Hes ALWAYS Watching Over You He Knows The Devil Trys To Temp You In MANY Ways He Went Thru The Same Thing But He Never Sined And He Knows Your Not Perfect Like God AlMightly Your Going To Make Mistakes Us Were Flesh Were Humans Were Going To Sin But We Can Change And Be More Close To God Confess Your Sins & Please Ask The Holy Spirt To Open The Eyes Of Your Heart & Come Live Inside Your Heart & Direct Your WHOLE Life 🙂
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See the JesusLovesYou comment above. Is it any wonder that JesusLovesYou believes in the crap the does? He probably does not have two neurons to rub together.
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what you’ve basically done is take a belief and twist in a way so it seems ridiculous. you can do that with anything. jesus wasn’t a zombie. the tree wasn’t magical. have you ever looked in the bible? there are so many people who go against not just Christianity but God and jesus. the largest religion is christianity, second and third are muslim and jewish. all of them believe in the same god. coincidence? i think not
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Danny Park,
You provide more evidence that followers of the jewish zombie are retarded.
Not that facts will change your mind, but do make the effort to find out which religion has how many followers. But mind you, numbers mean shit when it comes to truth. Idiots like you would not know the truth even if it came up and bit them on their behinds. Idiots like you outnumber the intelligent. That is not surprising. The good are always outnumbered by the bad.
Now go kneel in front of the jewish zombie’s image and please don’t bother to comment. Thank you.
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By zombie it means he came back from the dead. How can a tree not be magical if it makes someone suddenly know good and evil and puts sin in their body?
And, numbers mean nothing. There are tons of things the majority thinks. By the way, neither Jews nor Muslims believe that Jesus is the son of God nor that he is necessary for salvation.
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Here we go. Christian apologists arriving here in dozens and claiming to know about “real” Christianity. If Hindus defend their religion and culture that then they are RSS followers or communal. But evangelical Christianity is very secular.
Every time I hear about “real” Christianity, I am inspired to ask: did you ensure that your church donations do not go to the adventure of non-“real” Christianity? If not, then ensure so, spread of non-“real” Christianity would stop fast. Can not do that? Then you are lying here about non-“real” Christianity. Was not lying supposed to be a “sin” for you?
Also, before you folks talk about salvation question yourself. If you are being “saved” through the process of Baptism, did all of your ancestors went to hell before your savior arrived?
Atanu,
Please go through this very interesting article by Alex Pomero (translated from Croatian paper).
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@Amit you mind explain how Hinduism is stupid? what do you know about Hinduism?
Atheism = the belief that believing in anything is stupid, and we should join clubs (atheist originations) that focus on talking about what we don’t want to believe in. yeah…not for me.
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” But mind you, numbers mean shit when it comes to truth. Idiots like you would not know the truth even if it came up and bit them on their behinds. Idiots like you outnumber the intelligent. That is not surprising. The good are always outnumbered by the bad.”
Your right, numbers don’t mean shit when it comes to the truth, and the fact that atheism is becoming more and more popular makes me laugh. It just means that people are just generally stupid.
“The good are always outnumbered by the bad”
There you go being irrational. What evidence do you have that good exist? What evidence do you have that atheism is the truth? How do you know what goodness is anyway? you live in a religious world, so you HAVE to be good. It is not a personal quality of yours, but something forced on you by the law, a law written by believers in God who see that good that you have no evidence for. Now go worship your Dawkins statue, you waste of space.
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My Christian faith has been great for me personally. I can see how it would not make sense to those who don’t already believe, but it really works for me. I understand why Kidd is mad, religion can be a great thing for those who choose to accept it, but Kidd: NOBODY IS A WASTE OF SPACE. God calls us to love everyone – no matter what.
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The few religion followers who are not simply retarded, are just too scared of facing reality, it’s very very sad because reality is actually awesome.
I don’t mind much religious retards, it’s not 100% their fault, but the smart ones, they piss me off for they cowardice, and delusional/sick split thinking.
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“Men are extremely good at thinking. Religion just teaches them, they are not”
“Its doesnt take much for a bad man to do bad things, but it takes religion to make a good man do bad things”
“Religion is regarded by common people as true, by wise as false and by rulers as useful” 😉
Concept of Jesus is stupid,no questions but then so is a man-God killing 10 headed demon, because that demon was enamoured by our protagonist’s wife(or some say, because that demon wanted revenge for his sister’s insult) or for that matter a man, climbing to heaven with the help of a golden rope…
Either way, looks to me like a Chinese tale.
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Soham,
Look up the word “allegory” in the dictionary and you will understand the difference between the Jesus story and the story of a man-god killing a 10-headed demon. The latter is not supposed to be taken literally; the former is dished out as historical, universal and literal truth. If you do see the distinction, feel free to post a comment here.
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“Concept of Jesus is stupid,no questions but then so is a man-God killing 10 headed demon, because that demon was enamoured by our protagonist’s wife(or some say, because that demon wanted revenge for his sister’s insult) or for that matter a man, climbing to heaven with the help of a golden rope…”
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Except that those who may believe in “man-God killing 10 headed demon” – even literally – won’t go around telling others to believe in the exact same thing, or die if they refuse to have the same belief. And unlike what happened to Salman Taseer and the academic in Kerala whose hand was chopped off, neither will anyone come after you and demand that you committed blasphemy and be killed for referring to Lord Ram as “man-God killing 10 headed demon.” Even if someone did make that demand, there would be a million Hindus who would come down like a sack of bricks on that guy for making such a demand.
I know it is fashionable to read some Dawkins, have an epiphany and then blindly apply that epiphany to Indic faiths to earn your liberal cred, but perhaps you could try and wrap your head around these significant distinctions instead of bleating about “all religions are equally bad”? Just a thought.
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This is ridiculous, People are saying that you can make it sound absurd, as with anything you dissect it well enough, it shouldn’t be that way if it was actually true 🙂 oh, @Jesuslovesyou, Capitals are used for the beginning of a sentences or an important word , like a person or place. NOT every bloody word. Go back to year one.
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omg saying shit from the bible and using it against Christianity….?
the bible is exaggerated but is still true at its core. every story is exaggerated. atheist blame religion for the cause of violence and what not? but yet there are atheist extremist who take lives to prove their point. maybe not as frequently and at a large scale, but there are far many more religious people than atheist. the violence around the world is because we cant all agree to accept each others beliefs. atheist are part of the problem as much as every other belief/religion out their no matter how many followers the belief? religion has.
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everyone here who isnt a follower i respect that you dont follow anything, what i dont respect is making fun of a believe, i just hope none of you are afraid to die, i believe in CHRIST, im not afraid to die because i been told where i go, we TRUE christians dont depend on love or money just GOD
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Who do you think you are posting this trash???? That is a insult to Jesus Christ. You should be ashamed of yourself. This is absolute rubbish.
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This is stupid. Juss because your religion doesnt make sense does not mean you can make fun of others!! Im a Christian and I totally and utterly believe in Christ coming to save us from our sins, you dont need to make fun of it. Christians (hopefully) accept all religions and dont make fun of them so whats th big idea….? We all wont know until we die, so dont make fun of the religion until YOU raise from the DEAD and tell us God isnt real and Christianity is a foolish religion…..
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False. Christians do NOT accept other religions, and haven’t going back 1800 years. Christians have been judging, condemning, and oppressing other religions the whole time.
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I think your all gay. get over yourselfs. it’s a freaking website.
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believe what you want to, and if your a christian, it shouldnt bother you because you know whats right from wrong. if your not, well i think you should just leave their religion alone and let them think what they want to. point blank period.
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Dear all,
There is Christian or American prefixed to Yoga, Gita, Bharatanatyam, Carnatic Music etc., There’s this excellent example of Digestion of Veda itself. Please see
http://digestingveda.blogspot.com/
“American Veda” rejoices how Dharma has been digested by Americans with the original sources made to disappear. The Tiger digesting the Deer remains the Tiger, in fact stronger, but the Deer turns into a pile of shit. This has happened to many civilizations that were also similarly “assimilated” into Christianity and the west – but they now live in museums!
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i cant belive u people are makeing fun of christ god will punish u people trust me and when he comes u will be down on ur knees asking for forgiveness but it will be 2 late i am going 2 pray for u people and hope u will see the glorys god has done for u it is a shame u people r makeing fun of god the lord will punish u trust me and when he does u r going 2 wish u never did this god knows all the bad u have done all u have to do is ask for forgiveness
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Kelly,
I suppose you are not for real. You are merely mocking Christians, aren’t you? You are pretending to be a Christian in writing that utterly brain-dead comment. Not a good thing.
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There really isn’t such a thing as “True Christianity” today. Because True Christianity is robbing people of everything they have ( including their own life) in order to convert them. Therefore I see every single comment posted by a Christian on here as hypocritical.
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Here is a summary list of the dictates of Vedic religion. and they are not absurd,not irrational and obscurantist certainly not. They are in perfect tandem with humanity.
Rigveda 10.161.2
– walk together in the path of truth without bias, injustice and intolerance
– talk to each other to enhance knowledge, wisdom and affection without malice and hatred
– keep working together to enhance knowledge and bliss
– follow the path of truth and selflessness as exemplified by noble people
Rigveda 10.161.3
– Your analysis of right and wrong should be unbiased and not specific to particular set of people
– You should organize together to help everyone enhance their health, knowledge and prosperity
– Your minds should be devoid of hatred and should see progress and happiness of all as one’s own progress and happiness and you should only act for enhancement of happiness of all based on truth
– Work together to eradicate falsehood and discover truth
– Never ever deviate from path of truth and unity
Rigveda 10.161.4
– Your efforts should be full of enthusiasm and for bliss of everyone
– Your emotions should be for one and all and love everyone the way you love yourself
– Your desire, resolve, analysis, faith, abstinence, patience, keenness, focus, comfort etc all should be towards truth and bliss for all, and away from falsehood.
– Keep working in synergy to increase each others’ knowledge and bliss.
for the whole article, please refer to http://agniveer.com/1634/religion-vedas/
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Ya know I was almost was offended. but not I just feel sorry for the non believers. I wonder if the lord will mention this post as he damns you to hell. LOL And as the devil slaps you a hi-five for such a great post as he shoves his pitch fork up your asses.
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Now isn’t that special, Mr Will.
That’s the sort of “Christian” love that your lord preached, didn’t he? He scans blogs and then if he finds something that he does not like, he shoves pitch forks up their bums. Wonderful.
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It is not right for u to put down everyone who believes in jesus just because your too ignorant to understand Jesus and the wonderful things he has done for you doesn’t mean you have to discourage others from believing in him. may god bless you:)
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Roberta,
Well how does it feel when the shoe is on the other foot, eh?
It is OK for followers of jesus to put people who don’t believe in jesus down constantly and when someone turns around and gives it back, then the followers of jesus squeal like stuck pigs. STFU is the politest response to people like you.
Sincerely,
Atanu
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Christians constantly put down all other religions, saying that they are false, that people are lost, that they are condemned, etc. It sounds to me like Christians can’t take what they dish out.
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Jesus wants nothing but your love in return for his love for you. He doesn’t “make” you love Him. He doesn’t “insist” you love him. He gives you that choice.
Hello my brother, Atanu, I hope you are having an awesome day. I honestly mean no disrespect, you seem like an intellegent person. I just wanted to say if you actual read and understand his words, you would know that none of the horrible things you seem to have no problem endorsing as true Christianity, were ever done by the guidance of our Lord. On the contrary, Christ is the one who specifically tells us to love our enemys and do not strike those who strike us. Find that in any of the religions of the world. Jesus is nothing but love… I challenge you to find anything written in the New Testament (A Christian’s Intsruction Book :)) that supports any of those horrible things you say are Christian. Just find one…
Be careful, just because someone claims to do something in the name of Christianity, doesn’t make it so. These are humans, people, and people do bad things. We Christians are far from perfect, but our Lord still loves us. We make many mistakes, like Mr Will did in his reply. But our Lord will still be there for him.
I have seen him work in my life. I have battled two kinds of cancer and been betrayed by loved ones. But I am so blessed by God through my children and many other things. I know my heart and what kind of person I have been, but He still loves me. I don’t get it, but I’m glad.
It doesn’t matter if you don’t love Him, He will love you still.
Sorry for being so long winded… 🙂
Your Christian friend, Brad
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AND To the Christians getting all worked up over this stuff…
Brothers and sisters, our Lord does not need us to fight his battles. Why do you get angry and put Atanu down. You do not know his story, nor his heart. Only Jesus does. Don’t act like the world’s religions who seem to think it is their duty to retaliate on behalf of their god. Jesus has a plan for him just like us. Atanu has a right to feel the way he does. He has the right to make his decision to either love of reject our Lord, CORRECT? It is NOT our job to make him love Jesus! I am more offended by your reactions to Atanu than his comments.
You have the instruction manual, read it! Please, if you honestly believe you are Christians, act like it.
Anatu, I would like to apologize for the offensive replies, if you would accept.
I am sorry for the harshness and I love you all, Brad
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Bash my religion one more time and you will be the one on the cross!
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Here’s a question why is it completely acceptable to bash Christians, but no one bashes Islam or Judaism or Hinduism? That’s wrong. If you have an issue with religion that’s fine. I get that. But to only mock one religion because they can’t fight back because of ” your not acting like Jesus would” yes I get that people can be morons anyone can but to only mock and vilify one is hypocritical.
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The reason Christianity gets bashed is because so many of you are hypocritical assholes that don’t practice what you preach. The amount of wars that have been started because a Christian was trying to force their religion on someone else is countless. What was the last war Hinduism caused?
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Christians in the West bash Islam and Hinduism ALL OF THE TIME. In fact, it is always you guys saying that Satan is behind the other religions and they are evil. At least Hindus theologically say that there are many ways to god and they say that Jesus may be either a good teacher or even an avatar.
Basically, Islam and Hinduism theologically have more respect for Christianity than vice versa. They both honor Christianity.
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Christianity isn’t a religion it is a fact….Scientist have no SOLID proof that it is fake…all they can say is…it makes no sense,its a stupid idea,or it couldnt be cause a figgin particle blew up and made Little tiny perfect cells and life as we know it.You can screw around believing that happened.Id rather be a Christian and figure out there is no God than not be a Christian and figure out there is a God.And the fact is…alot of people make fun of us but what if they were making fun of a fact not a religion and they have to die and suffer in the pits of hell.Btw i am a Baptist.Baptist are not like other Christians…we arent a hundred percent serious all the time….I mean just the ither day me and my friends shot my neighbor with a paintball gun…we also watch rated R movies like u do…the fact is…we all sin.
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